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... “All the good jobs go to those guys in the flight ops.” I heard a guy, I couldn’t believe the guy said this, but the guy has been retired. I ran into him ... several flight controllers over there. As a matter of fact, we really recognized one guy. This guy called up a deep space tracking network. We weren’t using it at that point ... , dig in and take strong stands, but you knew the guy was right. You knew the guy. He’s a smart guy. In some of this stuff, a lot of it was back ...

... when I started looking. The Cambridge Research Center had naval research labs. They were the guys responsible for all the density measurements, the altitude profiles. They actually had started cataloging and ... to make a decision. "Do you want to go off and be an operations guy, and a program guy rather than do research? And it didn't take me long, after going ... hero. '''Rusnak:''' That's right. '''Hicks:''' But Chris and Kranz and all those guys, they loved the guy. They got his car tags back many a time for it. I told you ...

... the value of all of the training not only for the crew and our guys, but the ops guys. '''Butler:''' Absolutely. Well, if we could take a brief break here and change ... relationship there was not like the relationship with some of the engineering guys, some of the program office guys, or guys in the program office who were good troops that you felt good ... , flight experience, that counted for quite a bit, but bringing in a new guy or bringing a guy that was on the way in there, was kind of how all that was ...

... between flight ops and the comm communications guys, different comm guys over there, you know, between the LM comm guys and the flight ops comm guys and so on. I got over there and ... whole thing leading up to the mission was just wild, you know, because these guys, these two guys especially, were real fighter pilots. They were test jockeys, and they could do anything ... you worked on that. '''Fendell:''' Yes, I worked on that. One of my guys was the lead comm guy on that, by the name of Harry Harold Black. Harry did most of ...

... highly, you know, like Christopher C. Kraft, Maxime A. Faget, and some of those. The guys from Langley Field, essentially, were the ones that were really driving the thing. Then you ... of electrons… to create lightning . But anyway, that was a big thing… These atmospheric electricity guys… were eleated over that. "Oh, look, they triggered lightning." They'd been studying trigger lightning ... at the National Science Foundation.” I said, “Oh, yes, I know dozens of guys.” I knew one guy. We’d been in graduate school together, and he was a program manager for ...

... by now was running Space Services Incorporated (SSI) . David Hannah was the main guy, an entrepreneur, money guy that had wanted to get into the commercial booster business. And Deke, of course ... I also remember Chris saying, “Do you know him? Is he a good guy? Is he the guy you would want?” He'll probably deny that because it's not legal…. Won ... they'd jump with parachutes into the water and swim for miles. Real tough guys and great guys to work with. Gung-ho. They'd do anything, you know. So the technique ...

... did work out very well. '''Bostick:''' Edwin E. "Buzz" Aldrin Jr. was an interesting rendezvous guy. He like majored in rendezvous in college or something. Laughter We called him Dr. Rendezvous ... it since with people, especially Kranz. Of course, he's kind of an emotional guy, gung-ho guy, anyway. But I think it hit a lot of us that, "Hey, today we ... that I've seen in my life. All of the systems guys, the LM and the CSM guys and the trajectory guys are all working hand in hand in an extremely well-integrated ...

... country, isn't it? Okay, anyway, taller than the tallest mountain. So this guy, this ballpoint-pen guy, got together a bunch of experts, including my professor, Walt McKay, who was going ... these concepts were forced into the program. Another Apollo manager later made—what was that guy from RCA went up to NASA headquarters D. Brainerd Holmes ? Anyway, eventually we sat down ... big development program on electrical actuators. We have hydraulics instead. Guy Joseph G. Thibodaux—no, not Guy Thibodaux. One of the guys who became later—got Max's job from propulsion, do you ...

... wanted to ask you about. You’ve mentioned several times the flight dynamics guys. These are the Trench guys, they call them. '''Dumis:''' The Trench, yes. '''Rusnak:''' I was curious about the ... a lot of women in the program then. It was a guy thing mostly, and guys do what guys do when guys are around guys, you know, basically. That was before we had profanity on ... for entry. I think Sy is still aggravated about that. I met with some Russian guys, Soviet guys. I guess at that time we called them Soviets. I wasn’t around them ...

... NASA Headquarters and with the NASA engineers in Houston. Wherever it was, I became the guy that speaks on behalf of the geology community. '''Wright:''' Share about the relationship of Bellcomm ... ain’t going to, so John, I want you to go to your guys. Get all your guys together, and tell them. Tell them that the whole program depends on that one ... a high-resolution camera to photograph things on the Moon, so they called NASA. The guy, George Lardner, the first reporter to ever interview me, called NASA Headquarters to get information ...

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