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... a long time, those were kind of personal things. I know there were guys, and especially the sim guys and whatever, who knew just how all that took place. So my thought ... small space how are they going to do the thing?” Because guys, guys don’t pay any attention to any other guy. Now, you put a woman in the mix, and how is ... there, and we were ready. That was something else. Everybody knows about 13, watching those guys, and talk about people staying, because they had Tiger Teams, and everybody was doing everything ...

... had you thought years earlier when they had selected the first astronauts and these Mercury guys had become somewhat celebrities? '''Carr:''' Icons. Yes. Well, I was very, very proud of them ... California as they North American Aviation were building the command and service modules. Meanwhile, the guys working the booster spent a lot of time at the Marshall Space Flight Center MSFC ... live peacefully together. '''Rusnak:''' That's a very nice message, particularly for Christmas. Did you guys have images of what Apollo 8 had done on Christmas when you were preparing your ...

... getting MIT Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts on board. He was an old MIT guy. It become pretty controversial at one bit. I think that it was, all in all ... meant that the Kennedy Spacecraft Center got involved and they had to bring their own guys to maintain their equipment and so forth. There were six contractors involved. There were three ... back. I mean, the attorney that represented the other side was a fairly famous guy, a black guy who's on the—I think he's on the Houston City Council, and ...

... I got selected, 1979 the process started, and I got selected together with another guy, another French guy, and the two of us went to Star City U.S.S.R. . '''Butler ... from Switzerland, Claude Nicollier, who is still here, and Wubbo Ockels, Claude Nicollier, the German guy, forgot his name? '''Butler:''' Ulf Merbold? '''Chrétien:''' Ulf Merbold, yes. And number four, that might ... Merbold had flying experience. Claude Nicollier was flying for Swiss Air. All these guys had it, but the guys that France had selected were pure scientists, so they were eliminated. '''Butler:''' Well ...

... like that. There were no ladies’ restrooms, so we were flying with these guys who were tough guys, and they had to stand guard for us outside the restrooms. There were a ... I kept going up. '''Wright:''' Oh no. '''Cleave:''' There were all these little air force guys in their little speedboat. I watched them just going around and around that. They saw ... all watched the Apollo Program pretty carefully. Although they were test pilots except for one guy, they did do geology up there, so they were doing experiments. On Skylab they did ...

... to some additional help. We seemed to be welcomed very graciously, particularly by the MOL guys, the Bob Crippens Robert L. Crippen and Dick Trulys Richard H. Truly and folks. They ... the SPAN Spacecraft Analysis Room , actually, for STS-1 as kind of the crew BFS guy. '''Ross-Nazzal:''' BFS? '''Covey:''' Backup flight system. Backup flight software, BFS, yes. Yes. So that ... is really the driver on this, and Joe Engle was the stick-and-rudder guy. Engle was the guy trying to figure out how do we make the software work. They had ...

... 't hacking the course. I was chief engineer, and I didn't interview the guys. The guys were interviewed by my group leaders, and they knew they weren't any good after ... addition to the Purchasing Department being the contracting officer, we assigned a manufacturing guy and a quality-control guy to this same individual that reported to him to manage the contract. That ... the wiring." We had a hell of a time getting it fixed. We had guys—had two guys almost hand-measuring the wires pin-to-pin all over that command module, and ...

... displays, and they could switch to different display sources for different technical applications. The technical guys, Barry Graves’ division when he was here in the center, had the responsibility to come ... his brother who had anything to do with space station evolution was in these meetings, guys talking about international aspects of it, national aspects, design concepts, problems, successes, whatever, contractor relationships ...

... while in order to break down those barriers, and it was just working alongside the guys and finally it happened. '''Butler:''' Was there anything specifically, as you were going through the ... the mission where you remember thinking that and reflecting on the fact that, "Jeez, these guys are up there doing it"? '''Gibson:''' Oh, yes. Yes, that went through my mind several ... us. '''Butler:''' Well, that's very unfortunate. '''Gibson:''' Yes, I thought it was unprofessional. The guy should have at least talked to us. He could write what he wants, but he ...

... more about their subject area, if they were aerospace guys, or if they’re electrical engineering guys, or if they’re mechanical engineering guys. An analogy is like the icicles on the side ... do. This is how it’s got to be,” and with the AGC guys, the Apollo guidance computer guys. “I saw it do this, this sucker’s got to do it, because ... problems with pogo oscillation and early engine shutdowns. But we got through with that. Those guys were really working on those. There was 15 Saturn V rockets built along with another ...

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