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... , finally that's the way we did it. But, see, he could contribute, and other guys that didn't really know that much about their subject, that had more self-confidence ... themselves for one reason or another, then they were able to contribute more. And some guys didn't know anything and tried to contribute, and they were just detrimental to the ... kind of had to not pay attention. The only reason I've learned about those guys and people is watching Discovery Channel since then and watching the stories about Vietnam and ...

... more inclined to stay under Abe, and since Gilruth wouldn't stay there, the Langley guys went home, except for a few notable exceptions. They were outstanding people who stayed. This ... remember when that was put together by Silverstein and George Low and John Disher, the guys here at Langley, Bob Gilruth and Chris Kraft, before it was a program, just preliminary ... like von Braun and Silverstein to do that, and you've got to give those guys tremendous credit for even imagining they could do it. '''Dinkel:''' Yes, sir. Well, Centaur turned ...

... Operations, and George W. S. Abbey was the head of Flight Crew Operations. All these guys had quite a history back through the Apollo Program, and it was difficult not to ... before our introductory meeting and our welcome meeting at the Center down there, and those guys were in a bad mood about this, and it was reflected in their welcome aboard ... you had that? '''O'Connor:''' Yes, just one chase flight. There were a couple of guys who flew chase on all the flights, Charles R. Charlie Justiz and there may have ...

... ’d flown on Skylab. He’s not a test pilot, but very capable guy and a great guy to work with, and so I couldn’t have done better to have a ... — '''Fullerton:''' Yes, that was unique and different, not been done before. Bill Burcham is the guy that came up with pursuing this concept, of being able to fly an airplane that ... with Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) Huntsville, Alabama . It wasn’t just working with the guys I knew at JSC. Working with a couple of payload specialist slots for individuals that ...

... was director of flight operations, flight crew under Deke and flight operations under Chris. Those guys worked well together. …Later on Chris was director of the center, and Deke worked under ... clear." '''Coyle:''' Gene Eugene F. Kranz, in his lectures or his speeches, says that you guys really kept them honest, particularly when Gene mentions that example of the computer overload on ...

... the rendezvous training present? It wasn’t the training that presented any problems, because the guys were always there. I’d work with the engineering people after the crews left at ... that. '''Butler:''' MPAD or Mission Planning and Analysis Division — '''Grimm:''' MPAD, MPAD. I loved that guy. I’m sorry that he’s gone. '''Butler:''' Yes, we’re very sorry about that ... know if you’ve ever interviewed him or not, but he would be an interesting guy to interview. '''Butler:''' Not yet. '''Grimm:''' Both Chris and George. They were both subsystem managers ...

... I think we worked that out pretty well. We had great respect for the guys down there, the guys and gals in mission control. '''Brinkley:''' I was going to ask about the ... that flight and essentially got almost all our objectives on it, and it allowed the guys in the next flight, subsequent flights, to do far more aggressive science and exploration and ... with Max Faget and everyone over in Engineering and Development Directorate? '''Armstrong:''' Some of the guys in the astronaut office had more work with that directorate than I did. My collateral ...

... reporting to them, and then the engineering office down there under Aleck C. Bond and Guy Joseph G. Thibodaux, they had the Propulsion Systems Branch or Engineering Branch report to them ... had to be cautious, so they taught awareness very well. However, things do happen. A guy can get careless. For instance, sometimes if a fellow would, instead of following procedure exactly ... . '''Ross-Nazzal:''' That’s an interesting story. '''Beckett:''' Well, it was interesting to meet those guys. And then later on, to have what happened happen. I thought about that many times ...

... try and define here." So we were involved in the selection of the original seven guys at that time. What we were doing, they had already been called in to Washington ... we really needed was chimpanzees anyway and why were we bothering to have these guys, and these guys must be crazy to allow themselves to get into this program. But some of ... SALT Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty Talk interpreter with me, and they sent a State Department guy, but I was told that I did not have to call back for decisions or ...

... it, and things of that sort. We were the chemists, the physicists and the magnetics guys and all that, trying to understand what do you do with the Moon substances once ... all these things. Well, what's their fundamental basis for all this? I mean, some guys in our research labs say, hey, the Nile overflowed every three or four hundred years ... engineering standpoint and manned missions, as well. I mean, the astronauts ought to be—the guys who fly it ought to be a mixture of government and private contractor people. When ...

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